Comments on: Revit for BIM http://www.designmyhome.com/2009/05/11/revit-for-bim/ random stuff about residential (and other) design from a couple of curmudgeonly architects Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:04:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nick http://www.designmyhome.com/2009/05/11/revit-for-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-10342 Nick Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:04:36 +0000 http://www.designmyhome.com/?p=96#comment-10342 Dec. 29, 2010 Revit aRchitecture probably has made some great advance in the time since these writen opinions. I personally like the way it works modeling and the ease it does certain things, but I notice, in my learning process, that there are still things that seem crude and unresolved, that is, when compared with AutoCAD (a lot of seasoned AutoCAD users who also use Rrvit probably will feel the same way). Seem ironical that if Revit is developed and sold by the same peolpe who develop and market AutoCAD, Autodesk, that the program still is missing some good and proven funcionalities that are widely used in AutoCAD and standardized. Historey seems to be ignored here. The program is good, but it leaves plenty of windows open for another program to surface and replace it and be even better. And also, even cheaper. I bet that a lot of people are quietly waiting for that to happen, and will like it to. Remember when Architectural Desktop was supposed to be the future? Regardning the prices: Autodesk has what was/is called a monopoly with these things and they are taking advantage of it. They are keeping the profession hostage. We are letting Autodesk have it this way. If this were a more widely used program for a wider market, the prices probably would not be accepted and might even become illegal. I wonder why the profession, the AIA, etc. has not done anything about it? Dec. 29, 2010
Revit aRchitecture probably has made some great advance in the time since these writen opinions. I personally like the way it works modeling and the ease it does certain things, but I notice, in my learning process, that there are still things that seem crude and unresolved, that is, when compared with AutoCAD (a lot of seasoned AutoCAD users who also use Rrvit probably will feel the same way). Seem ironical that if Revit is developed and sold by the same peolpe who develop and market AutoCAD, Autodesk, that the program still is missing some good and proven funcionalities that are widely used in AutoCAD and standardized. Historey seems to be ignored here. The program is good, but it leaves plenty of windows open for another program to surface and replace it and be even better. And also, even cheaper. I bet that a lot of people are quietly waiting for that to happen, and will like it to. Remember when Architectural Desktop was supposed to be the future?

Regardning the prices:
Autodesk has what was/is called a monopoly with these things and they are taking advantage of it. They are keeping the profession hostage. We are letting Autodesk have it this way. If this were a more widely used program for a wider market, the prices probably would not be accepted and might even become illegal. I wonder why the profession, the AIA, etc. has not done anything about it?

]]> By: Bobby Parker http://www.designmyhome.com/2009/05/11/revit-for-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-6695 Bobby Parker Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:29:24 +0000 http://www.designmyhome.com/?p=96#comment-6695 I hope your install goes well.. forge ahead, you will not be sorry! I hope your install goes well.. forge ahead, you will not be sorry!

]]> By: doug http://www.designmyhome.com/2009/05/11/revit-for-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-6675 doug Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:34:08 +0000 http://www.designmyhome.com/?p=96#comment-6675 Bobby...I get your point. And that's what I want out of Revit. But practically speaking, what comes out of Revit has to be readable construction documents and to some extent, that means it has to be drafting tool. If it's just a modeling tool, than who has time for that? It's got to come back and produce the documents you need and if can't do that without "work arounds" and fixes, then I can't justify it. We just got the new version. We will be installing it and giving it a go. We'll see what happens. Bobby…I get your point. And that’s what I want out of Revit. But practically speaking, what comes out of Revit has to be readable construction documents and to some extent, that means it has to be drafting tool. If it’s just a modeling tool, than who has time for that? It’s got to come back and produce the documents you need and if can’t do that without “work arounds” and fixes, then I can’t justify it.

We just got the new version. We will be installing it and giving it a go. We’ll see what happens.

]]> By: Bobby Parker http://www.designmyhome.com/2009/05/11/revit-for-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-6485 Bobby Parker Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:20:26 +0000 http://www.designmyhome.com/?p=96#comment-6485 Great to see a local blogger! Revit is a powerful tool, but like any powerful tool you need to know how to handle it or you can loose control very quickly. I find frustration in hearing about issues that have relatively simple solutions, but a quick workaround was formulated just to get the job done. If all you are going to do is draft then Revit, or any modeling application for that matter, isn't the software for you. If you want to create images to help your client understand your intent or if you want to make sure of the constructability of your design then download Sketchup, which is free and easy to use. Nothing is wrong with 2D drafting, but try to extract content rich data from a 2d element. I think if you are not seeing value in BIM then you might not understand what BIM is. BIM isn't building a model, the industry has been doing that for 15 + years. BIM is building a content rich model that can be used to analyze and simulate. Don't give up! Great to see a local blogger!

Revit is a powerful tool, but like any powerful tool you need to know how to handle it or you can loose control very quickly.

I find frustration in hearing about issues that have relatively simple solutions, but a quick workaround was formulated just to get the job done.

If all you are going to do is draft then Revit, or any modeling application for that matter, isn’t the software for you.

If you want to create images to help your client understand your intent or if you want to make sure of the constructability of your design then download Sketchup, which is free and easy to use. Nothing is wrong with 2D drafting, but try to extract content rich data from a 2d element.

I think if you are not seeing value in BIM then you might not understand what BIM is. BIM isn’t building a model, the industry has been doing that for 15 + years. BIM is building a content rich model that can be used to analyze and simulate.

Don’t give up!

]]> By: Dean Dalvit http://www.designmyhome.com/2009/05/11/revit-for-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-6478 Dean Dalvit Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:57:07 +0000 http://www.designmyhome.com/?p=96#comment-6478 Doug, Great blog - I've enjoyed reading! I've had the very same frustrations. We have been using Revit as a schematic design tool quite effectively, but when it comes down to CD's, nothing has been more efficient for us than good old AutoCAD. Trust me when I say that I think the future is clearly going to be BIM based and each day, we try to push further into that learning. But until Autodesk provides the level of customization for production drawings that they offer for ADT, We're stuck just like you. And like you, we still don't have enough staff to justify a CAD manager or an in-house team of people to deal with all of the brain damage - that would be me. And unfortunately, the small firm just doesn't have time of budget to deal with the brain damage. And because we also do structural engineering in-house, that's another $5,000 package for us to commit to Revit structure. Who designs without structure anyway?? Anyway, it has it's use, but has a long way to go before we can use it the way we would like to, IMO. Doug,

Great blog – I’ve enjoyed reading!

I’ve had the very same frustrations. We have been using Revit as a schematic design tool quite effectively, but when it comes down to CD’s, nothing has been more efficient for us than good old AutoCAD. Trust me when I say that I think the future is clearly going to be BIM based and each day, we try to push further into that learning. But until Autodesk provides the level of customization for production drawings that they offer for ADT, We’re stuck just like you. And like you, we still don’t have enough staff to justify a CAD manager or an in-house team of people to deal with all of the brain damage – that would be me. And unfortunately, the small firm just doesn’t have time of budget to deal with the brain damage. And because we also do structural engineering in-house, that’s another $5,000 package for us to commit to Revit structure. Who designs without structure anyway??

Anyway, it has it’s use, but has a long way to go before we can use it the way we would like to, IMO.

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